RYB 858 (RARE INTERVIEW) From Rock Business to The TV Show GOLD RUSH with Dave Turin

Today I’m interviewing Dave Tarun. I wanted to get him on the show. I’m a huge fan of his show “Gold Rush”. The cool thing about Dave is he is such a hard worker. He’s had some struggles along the way but has overcome it all. Let’s get right to it and hear from Dave.

Dave’s Background 

I was the third of six kids. I was always the underdog in sports. Both my brothers were more athletic than me, and I was only 5’ 10”. I found that I had to always work so much harder than everyone else. As I progressed in high school, I became a good football play and went on to play college in football. 

I quickly discovered it wasn’t for me. I held off on school for a while. So my wife could finish nursing school. Eventually got my engineering degree around the time we had three kids. While I was going through school, I was running my family business. Then I realized that sitting at a desk job probably wasn’t going to be for me.

Next, I actually did try looking for an engineering job. I had a hard time finding a job and ended up staying with the family business. It’s very successful and provided for all of my brother’s families. It gave all of our kids a good opportunity to learn to work. 

How Gold Rush Came To Be 

I had tried to start new businesses and three new rock queries during my time working in the family business. My brother is very conservative. Every time I wanted to take a risk, my brother always wanted to hold on to the money. He did not want to take too many risks. 

I love problem-solving and challenges, so after 25 years, I was ready to move on to something new. I met Todd Hoffman around this time and gave him some advice and tools for going to Alaska to mine. 

He ended up calling me after a few months. He wanted me to come to help him in Alaska to be on the tv show he was starting. I really did think the show would fail. So, I paid for myself to go up there the first time. I was to be there for seven days. A little while later, he called me again and wanted me to come back. 

When the show launched, it did extremely well, and they invited me back for the second season. The entire process taught me how to problem-solve and mine in a different location. 

When I ran the family location, I signed the paychecks. I now was working with this new team. I had to learn how to lead and manage without having the final say. 

During that second year. I just got on the show and worked my butt off to show that I knew what I was doing. I just loved it! 

Every morning before we mined, we’d have a quick meeting and breakfast that my wife made for everyone in the morning. As the years went on, people stopped coming to our meetings and resolving conflict. 

At the same time, myself as a tv character started to rise because I was doing a lot more with the leadership side. 

There was a conflict with someone that Todd hired during the last season. I couldn’t work with him anymore, there was a lot of tension. At that time, I had lost my identity and didn’t know where to go from there. 

Dave’s Next Chapter 

I connected with a couple of other guys who were going through a “mid-life crisis” like I was, and we helped each other get through the transition for our new life. I got in with some investors to look for gold mining properties, and at the time, I started a YouTube channel, and it started to take off. At that time, I was approached to have my own show. 

For people who want to get into business, keep in mind that even the most successful people fail all the time. It’s not easy and can be very stressful at times. Just because I have a tv show doesn’t mean that I didn’t do a lot of work to make it happen. I do love the challenge. I just did it and never gave up. It’s worth all the hard work that goes into it. 

We ended up doing a YouTube channel when we were shut down by the tv execs the first time I pitched the idea for my new tv show. And it took off quite quickly. People loved to watch the videos that we posted, and soon after, we were approached about doing the show again when the tv execs saw that people liked our show. 

When you start a business, there is a process to become good at it. You’re required to do the hard work to make it happen. It’s also important to work as a team and make sure that everyone is working towards the same goals and emphasis that we are a family. 

I used to think that I was an excellent miner. However, when I went out of my comfort zone, and the more I learn, I realize I don’t know nearly as much as I thought! I do love learning the ground where I’m at and sending up a plan to make it successful. I do love solving problems, so it’s a lot of fun. 

What’s Next For Dave 

My philosophy is that I want to train my guys to be better than me. I don’t need to be the biggest and the best. Eventually, I’d love to turn it over to them, which will make me very happy. I’m working with young guys and can’t keep up forever, and eventually will want to go out on a new adventure. I’ve told my team that I am open to letting them keep things going when I’m done, so we’ll see what happens. 

I’ve always felt like if we have a family and take care of each other, that is what matters most. We’ll make mistakes, but if we work together, we can accomplish so much!

Final Note From Scott

What am amazing interview! I loved having Dave on the show. I enjoyed spending some time with him and getting to know his story. Go back and listen to that one again to take some notes and discover what you can learn from it. 

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Take-Aways From Today’s Episode 

  1. Dave’s Background (5:52)
  2. How Gold Rush Came To Be (13:38)
  3. Dave’s Next Chapter (27:35)
  4. What’s Next For Dave (46:22)

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  • When you start a business, there is a process to become good at it. You’re required to do the hard work to make it happen. 
  • When you start a business, there is a process to become good at it. You’re required to do the hard work to make it happen. It’s also important to work as a team and make sure that everyone is working towards the same goals and emphasis that we are a family. 

00:00 I learned that the only way I could lead and motivated I had to outwork them. I got on the show the second year and I just shut my mouth. I just worked my butt off.

00:12 Hey, Hey. Hey, what's up everyone. Welcome to the rock, your brand podcast. I'm your host, Scott. Voelker a serial entrepreneur on a mission to help you. This show is designed to teach you to inspire you, to motivate you, to take massive action and build a future proof business. So whether you're just starting out or taking your existing business to the next level, this is your home. Now, if you're ready, I'm ready. Let's rock your brand. What's up guys. Welcome back to the rock, your brand podcast. This is episode eight 58 and today I am pumped. I am extremely pumped because I am going to share with you my next guest. And this here is just a well it's something that I never knew that it would even be possible. And that is to get this guy on the podcast now to some people might not seem that big of a deal, but anybody that knows me knows I'm a huge fan of this show and that show is gold rush.

01:22 And the guy that I'm going to be interviewing today is mr. Dave Tarun. And, uh, let me just say, I've been following gold rush probably since season one. And I just love the show because it shows challenges and struggles and just trying to find the gold, right? Like trying to find the solution, trying to fix things along the way. And it reminds me so much of business and life because there's things that we have to deal with. And we might feel we're at our lowest point, but how do we get through it? But that all being said, the reason why I wanted to get Dave on number one is I just, I'm a huge fan of the show. I'm a huge fan of him. And he's actually got a, a new spinoff show that was actually that it came from gold rush. He tells the whole story, as far as like how that even happened.

02:17 He actually left the show and why he left the show and then how he did a couple other things that didn't really work. And then, um, well got into doing his, uh, his show now, which is Dave turns last mine. It's where he goes out and finds mines that have been closed down or left to people. And people don't have enough money to go out there and to start up gold mining on the property. And he finds these and then turns that into a show, which is brilliant. But the cool thing that I learned, and you're going to also be able to hear and learn about Dave is that he's a hard worker and he is just a regular everyday guy, but also that's had some struggles along the way. And even most recently, like I said, when he landed the show and how that all happened, he talks about it.

03:07 But then how he left the show and from there left with now, what right. And so you're going to hear all of the ins and outs. You're also going to hear Dave and I talk about him possibly coming back on the show and getting an update from this upcoming season. He couldn't talk about really the season just because it was being aired as we were doing this. Uh, but man, I want to give a shout out to my wife, Lisa, who actually made this happen. She's been doing my outreach now for getting some amazing guests on the show like Dean Graziosi, Jordan harbinger, some really amazing guests. And uh, now Dave turn, but I'm going to stop talking guys. Now you guys can see I'm kind of fired up so you can sit back, relax and enjoy this interview with my new friend. Dave turned well. Hey Dave, welcome to the podcast, man. This is an honor. This is a, this is actually a little surreal. I watch you on TV and here you are and we're hanging out and it's early morning for you, but man, thank you so much for taking time out of your data to hang out with us here this morning.

04:09 Well, thanks for the same. Thanks for having me on your show. I know it's kind of a risk. You don't know me and I could be some wacko that, but anyway, no, I think we have similar backgrounds, uh, business. I love business. I love mining. I love doing what I do. So yeah. Thanks for having.

04:28 Yeah, no, no problem. Uh, and so what I do want to do though, is cause some people would be saying, Scott, you know, you talk a lot about business. Your show is built around business, right about building brands. But I'm also about building a lifestyle that supports my family and spending time with my family and all that stuff. And I know that that's really important to you as well. We were just talking about grandkids and all that stuff before we actually recorded. But I believe that what you guys are doing and even you as a person like you, I can tell you're a driven individual and you're someone that's not going to give up without a fight. Right. And so that's why I want to bring people on. We have these Wednesday featured guests. You're one of those. And I think we can learn a lot from where, like where do you come from?

05:08 But then also what made you, who you are and what do you still learn today from doing what you do? So maybe what we can do is get people caught up. I mean, obviously they probably have watched the show and if they didn't, they're going to want to watch your new show actually. And we'll talk more about that and stuff, but we won't go into anything about like upcoming season or any of that stuff. Cause we got to wait on that. I want to wait on that. I want to wait to see I'm excited. Um, but let's just kind of go back a little bit. So Dave Terryn, like high school, like what are what's Dave turning going to be like gets out of high school, has these like grand vision of like what he's going to do. I'm sure you're doing exactly what you thought you were going to do in high school. Right?

05:44 Right. Well, I was uh, six, six kids in my family and I was the third brother. So I have three brothers. There's four of us. We, by the way, still on our business, we bought and dad out of our business about 15 years ago and I'm still 25% owner. It's a paving company. We have a rock, Cory, we have trucks. So we build roads. Okay. Sell rock, things like that. Um, but in growing up, my oldest brother was smart, athletic. And uh, I always looked up to him and I was about three and a half years younger than there's a brother between me and my oldest, but he wasn't as competitive wasn't as athletic. But I always look to my older brother. I mean, like he was the quarterback. Uh, he was like all state basketball player and their team got like fifth place in this state in the largest high school team.

06:43 And I just always remember now I was never that gifted of an athlete. I was shorter by foot 10. I never had, you know, the athletic ability. And so for me, I had to, I had to be there the longest after practice. I had to practice harder than anybody. And so that instilled in me that drive and I always felt like I was the underdog. And then as I progressed in high school, I became pretty good football player. I, we had a very successful high school team. Went on to play two years of junior college football was an all conference. Uh, in junior college, went to a university, Oregon state university, walked on, got my rear end handed to me and figured out. I figured out pretty quick, I didn't belong there. A real quick story. So I walk in first day, I'm at a university, right? And, and uh, this is big time, man. There's dudes that are the real deal. And I walked downstairs into the basement to get my stuff. Crusty old guy, that's been there for seven years. He looks at me and he goes, he looks at this roster, looks at me, looks at this roster. And he looks at me and he goes, son, five foot, 10, 170 pounds. He goes, you realize this is the pack 10 son.

08:07 And he hands me my stuff. And I was already like defeated anyway. Yeah, I got my butt kicked and figured out pretty quick that I was, the best I was going to do is be on special teams. So I walked away from football shortly after that, um, my wife was going to at, we weren't married, but she was going to nursing school. And so I quit school for a year to help her get through school. We get married. And then eventually after three kids, I graduate with an engineering degree. So I've got an engineering degree. And another quick story my wife says, what do engineers do? And I go,

08:51 I want to know that same thing, because there's so many different types, right?

08:56 It's like, what are you doing?

08:57 Yeah. So I went to civil engineering and I said, well, you know, we sit at a desk and design things and she looked at me. She goes, you can't sit at a desk. So this whole time through college and, and pay it, you know, working my way through, I was running a family business. We were paving roads and do it all that. She goes, really, you can't, you can't sit at home or in an office and design things. I was like, yeah, maybe not. So we, uh, about that time after graduating, I packed the kids up in our, in our station wagon. And I head out, I went to Arizona, I went to California and I'm looking for an engineering job. And this is in the eighties when the economy was horrible, I can't find anything. So I come back home. And about that time, we had a paving plant in somebody else's rock quarry and dad and the brothers approached me and says, look, would you come back into the family business and run the rock Corey?

09:56 And I looked, I just like, sure. So we all threw in money on the family rock quarry. And it was a huge risk, a huge gamble. I didn't know anything about crushing rocks. I didn't know anything about mining. I just was like, let's go. And off. We went and it was very successful. Uh, does very well. It provided for all of our families. You know, all my brothers are well, all of our children, by the way, it gave us an opportunity to teach our kids how to work. And here's a good, good little bit of advice. You know how, uh, father sons, there's always a little friction. What we would do is they'd go work for an uncle. So I'd have my, I have my nephews working for me. Now, the nephews can say, Hey, uncle Dave, I've got, you know, baseball practice that too.

10:49 Now you might be able to get away with it with dad because mom's back in the kid, right? Well, if it's your nephew, the nephew, isn't going to say, Hey, uncle Dave, I've got to go to a ballgame. Like, well, you're going to go to the ball game five minutes before you have to be there. You know what I mean? And so that's the way we raised our kids. Like my kids worked for my brothers and then their kids, even our daughters, they were flagging, my oldest daughter did quality control. So yeah, we raised the kids in the business and taught them how to work. And because of that, they're all successful. My oldest, daughter's a banker. She has a master's degree in finance. She she's a manager of high wealth clients. My son's, my son's an eye doctor. And my youngest daughter is a teacher. So they've all done well very well.

11:41 Yeah. And I think hard work goes a long way. I mean, it's funny because in today's society, you don't really see that as much. Right? Like it's like go out and mow the lawn or go out and rake the yard or just, I mean little stuff like that. It's like, that's unheard of to do it. I mean, I was raised a similar way. My father would say, Oh, you want to go to the movies? Good, go mow. Someone's lawn, go mow someone's lawn for five bucks. And I go to the movies, you know what I mean? Like I had to go do it. You know, it wasn't just, it wasn't just handled like here here's 10 bucks go to the movies, buy yourself some popcorn. It's like, no, no, there's some lawns that need and you should go knock on their door and ask him to get their lawnmower.

12:16 Yeah. That's the same way I grew up. My dad didn't give us it. Wasn't like, Hey, what time you guys want to get up in the morning? And there was no choice. It was like, Hey, get your butts out of bed. It's time to go to work.

12:32 Yeah. No, that that's great. So, okay. So you kind of go down this path, you think you're going to be a, you know, an engineer and then you're like, Oh, I guess I'm not. Cause I didn't really know what it entailed. And I figured out, it's sitting behind a desk, you know, drawing things and I don't really want to do that. And so you figure that out, you get into the business, into the family business and I'm sure that it had its struggles and its ups and downs here and there. I mean like any business. Right. And I mean, I ran, I was with my father's construction company for years before I got into our, it kind of led me to my path and we had other, we had partners, we had, we had a partner and then their family and that, that got a little ugly.

13:05 Cause we had a lot of friction and it was just like a bad marriage. But I learned a lot from that. I learned what I want, what I don't want. And also when you're hiring people, all of that stuff. But so you moving forward though, how does, how does gold rush come into the equation? Right? Like, are you just friends with, with Todd at the time? And he's like, Hey, I got this thing I'm doing and you might want to come on over. Like, I don't even know. You probably have said that in maybe one of the dirt, you know, the talk or any of that stuff. But like how does that even come about?

13:38 Yeah. So a little, let me go back just a little bit. So the business is successful and I'm, I'm the guy that was always striving for the next thing. I probably, I tried to start three separate rock quarries. Uh, I tried to start new businesses. And now if you, if you look at my older brother, he's very conservative. He's the guy that handles all the funds and we call him dollar Dan. And so every time I would take it, take a risk and want to go try to do something. It was like Dan wanted to hang onto the money and kind of stay a lot more conservative point of view. So I work at that rock quarry for I'm like there 25 years. Right. And I'm always looking for the next best thing. When I started to figure out it's not going to happen. And I feel somewhat trapped and stifled my creativity, my, my problem solving skills that I want to do.

14:37 I'm always looking for the next challenge. I love to problem solve and, and challenges. And so, and I'm a, me and my wife are people of faith. So I'm praying to God that, uh, what's next for me, I'm kind of bored in this business. And then, uh, I meet Todd Hoffman and Todd comes to me. We were looking for, Oh, it was when all three of my kids graduated from college and we're looking, we're going to have a, you know, a smaller party fabric, a family gathering and just honor all the kids and Todd and his family had a lodge that, you know, you could get about a hundred people. And so we go to visit Todd's mom about the lodge and Todd goes, Hey, you're that guy up there? Rock court. I go, yeah. He goes, come here. I want to show you something.

15:23 And we start looking at his equipment that he's going to take to Alaska. Now he doesn't tell me he's going to do a TV show. He's just telling me him and a buddy and his dad are going to go home. I looked at it all as was equipment. And like, dude, this is not gonna make it. And I'm now I, I like Todd great guy. He's very charismatic. He's friendly. And uh, so I'm like, I'll just help you out. So I take him up to the rock pit and we helped him out. We gave him pumps, you know, helped him set up his, uh, his generator. We wired up this generator and I'm just helping a brother out. I'm helping him over a couple months, period. He tells me, he goes, I'm going to get a TV show. No, think about that. You're like, you're going to get a TV show.

16:10 Good luck with that pal. Never forget. I'll never forget about the end of may. That one year he calls me up and he goes, Hey, we're, we're getting ready to go load up our equipment. Can you come help? I said, sure. I'll come down. Spend the morning with you. And I show up and sure enough, he's got cameras, producers and sound guys. I'm like son of a gun. He pulled it off and off. We went. So, so then for me, think of, think of the enticements from, uh, from my standpoint, I mean, he's going to get gold. It's got TV and it's in the Alaska wilderness. I'm like, I'm all in. How do I get on this bandwagon? Well, he didn't offer anything to me and they left. So I thought, well, that was cool. And off to Alaska. And he goes, he calls me back at the end of June.

17:08 And he says, Hey, we can't get this wash plant. Would you come up now? That's when I first got on the show, you know, like episode three or four. So I show up, thankfully I was able to figure it out. We got the plant going. Um, they liked me. The TB liked me, but you gotta realize Scott, that, that first year we were trailblazing, there was nothing like gold rush. I thought, I thought it was the stupidest idea in the world. Why would anybody want to watch a group of guys mining? Cause I thought it was, you know, let's dig up the ground, you run it through the sluice box. Who would want to watch that? Yeah, well I really thought it was going to fail. It was a cool adventure. I'm going up there going to hang out in Alaska and help these guys.

17:54 So I was supposed to be there seven days. I went on my own dime, just, you know, my money and just to help out. I was there for about 10 days, 11th day, we got everything going, big victory. Now they get a couple more episodes. Things are clicking along. Then he calls me back in September and says, Hey, we're having a tough time getting down to the bottom of this hole where they're digging. So again, I went up, got on a couple more episodes and they, and again, that TV seemed to like me. And so we pulled it off and then we're watching, you know, we're watching the first episode, nobody knows. First episode starts out like, and they didn't really advertise it. It started the, the, the curve was exponential that started people watching it. You know, there might've been a hundred or 200,000 people watching.

18:47 The next one was like 400,000. Then it hit three quarters of a million and it hit a million. And it was unbelievable. The timing of that show, because again, it was a bad time country's economy and people wanted to see somebody succeed. Now we never really succeeded, but we took people on that journey. And then season two came along. They asked me to be on it and I told them, I'd do half the time with the family business half the time with, with the TV. And then I loved the whole process Scott, because it taught me, it taught me how to mine in a different location, how to problem solve. The other thing I learned, this is an important thing. When I was running the family business, I signed the paycheck. Now I'm going into a group of guys that I don't know. And somehow I've got the knowledge.

19:48 How do I impart that? How do I lead without being the guy that pays their bills? I learned a lot about leading and managing people and not having the final say. So it was a real challenge I had to. And for me it's always been about, even when I was a kid, dad made me the paving boss. I was like 18. And I learned that the only way I could, uh, lead and motivated I had to outwork them. And so I, I got on the show the second year and I just shut my mouth. I just worked my butt off. And they found out that, that I knew what I was doing. I made good decisions. And then, you know, then they started following me and then I became the guy that was kind of managing the guys, managing the mining and doing that. And I just loved it. It was, it's interesting to see how all that unfolded and even to how

20:48 You arrived, where you are today, right? Like you being on that show. And then, I mean, Todd's not even part of it anymore. And it's kind of like, like you said, it's kind of like what started that path. And then, you know, all of a sudden, you know, Parker becomes, you know, this, you know, kind of like the star of that show now, you know what I mean? And Tony Beatson, and I do think a lot of times it's personality. I think of course it's good TV. It's, it's all of that stuff. And I think for you, it was at least for me looking from the outside, looking in it, you just looked real honest, hardworking level headed. Um, although you had some, uh, some issues there where you got a little, got a little tip

21:30 There, but that was good TV. That was good by the way.

21:33 Uh, but I, I mean, I felt it like everybody, I think they're, they're on your side. So it's kinda like, you know, yeah. We all seen that kind of comment and whatever. Um, but it made good TV, but it also shows you that, you know, tempers can flare when things aren't working great. Right? Like it's like, and how do you manage that? And I think you brought up a great point managing people. Isn't always easy. It's not about being the boss. Like I was a foreman for my father at his company. Same thing. It's like, I never was above anyone. I would work my butt off, but I would also show them that I'll get in there and I'll dig that right along with you. I'm not better than you. Um, I think that's important and you do that all the time. I see that all the time, you're getting dirty.

22:11 You're down in there. You're not like telling people they have to do it on something that you wouldn't do yourself. You know? So what happens, what happens though, Dave, when you, okay, so all of this is starting to happen and I forget how many seasons it was when you know that TIFF happened. And then that's kind of, is that what made it, you two, you were like, you know what, I'm not, I'm not doing this anymore with that crew, um, where I'm going to, I want to go out and do something on my own maybe, or how does that shift happen? And it had to be like, kind of, I guess, weird and hard at the same time, because you're kind of like you were going down that path, I'm assuming you were enjoying it, but then you're like, there's conflict.

22:49 Yeah. So the way it was a slow, slow process in the early years, um, again, I was kind of setting up the process and the mining and all that. And so I would, and one of the first year that my wife and I decided to go up and we're like, we decided that look, these guys are unorganized. It's kind of chaos. And so we, we agreed that we're going to try to, or I would lead. So my wife did is she would cook breakfast for us every morning, we'd have a meeting and we would do a quick Bible verse and do some prayer and then off to work, we'd go and we'd kind of lay out the day and it was great because, uh, you would deal with the issues and the conflict. You would deal with it in my little trailer. And we did that for like the first three or four years.

23:44 And then as it progressed, a couple of things happened that started to become less important, less attendance people wouldn't, you know, didn't care. And so you start to not deal with the issues because it's a pressure cooker where what we do, you know, we're all together, 24, seven, we're in a small camp and we're working together. And when you, when you're in front of the camera, your whole life is exposed. So it's like you put a lid on it, right? And you start turning the heat up. Or if you don't relieve that pressure, it's going to blow. And along the same time is that my, my self as a TV character, if you want to say that in the show starts to rise. Cause I'm doing a lot of the calling, the shots I'm organizing and Todd starts to see that. So he starts to pull some of that responsibility from me.

24:51 No, I'm not calling all the shots. It's all his money. And I tried to work my way into some ownership and he was like, Nope, ain't gonna happen. And so I start feeling like I'm being, once again, put down and, and less, uh, and he's calling more of the shots cause he wants to stay that guy. And then that last season, he hires a guy that was going to be our safety guy. And that guy did not like me and didn't buy any, did not have any regards for authority. And I told my wife, I said, I need to just get through this season. I said, it's not good. And I warned Todd, a couple of times, I'm like, Todd, you need to handle this. And he didn't, then that broke out and I'm not, you know, I, I had my part in it and I'm never gonna deny that I was, you know, you know, I had responsibility and that whole deal, however, when it did explode, um, I told Todd, it was straight up. I said, I can't work with the guy. And I says, at this point in my life, I won't. And so he hired him back and that was just an easy answer. And then, uh, it's kind of interesting because, uh, it really, it really affected me psychologically. You know, we all, we all think we're tough. We can handle anything that took me to my needs brother. I'm telling you, I was, uh, in, in, in what way though? Like, I mean, I lost my identity.

26:26 You think about it. I was, those are days at a point there was 5 million people that would watch that show on a Friday night. And now it was the same thing. As when I quit playing football. I remember walking around the campus going, I'm just a regular guy. I'm no longer the football player and same thing after gold rush, unlike I'm no longer dozer day. I'm just regular dude. And thankfully my wife, you know, she helped pull me through it. And the other thing that happened was I met two other gentlemen at the same time that did the same thing. There was a very good friend of mine. He was the Portland trailblazer voice for the trailblazers. And he was 17 years. Right? 17 years, he did commentator for the Portland. Trailblazers happened to him at the same time. We end up meeting each other.

27:21 Another friend was, uh, uh, Oregon, uh, state Senator for 10 years taken away. He's no longer Senator Atkinson. Um, Mike is no longer the voice of the blazers and there's me. I'm no longer dozer Dave. And what we did is we kind of hooked up and we helped each other deal with it because we're all going through kind of a midlife crisis. And we actually started, we tried to do a couple another TV show and I thought it was a great idea. And it was about helping people through difficult times, but going into the outdoors anyway, we had a great time doing the TV show. It never took off. Nobody wanted to watch three guys, you know, but anyway, that helped. It really did help me get through. And then to get back to TV, I hooked up with some investors that wanted to get into gold and gold properties and they hired me and I was a partner to look for properties. And I started doing it as I was prospecting. I met so many amazing people. I started a YouTube channel and it started taking off. And then people started noticing that I had still had a following. And then they approached me to do my own show. I was going to say like,

28:42 It's interesting because you had all that attention on gold rush. And like, that's kind of what we talk about too here at Dave on the pockets. It's like, you know, once you get attention, what do you do with it? And then how do you, how do you literally, like, no one wants to talk about making money with it, but that's technically what you, what you're trying to do. I mean, we're all trying to do that, but also in whatever you're doing to monetize, it is hopefully beneficial to the people that are, that are paying you or watching commercials or whatever it is and your case. Right. But like, how do you take those 5 million viewers every Friday night and get even 25% of them to follow Dave and whatever Dave does in the future, they're going to follow. Right. And then, you know, it doesn't matter if you come out with Merck, if you come out with a new TV show, if you come out with a YouTube channel, whatever, there's a way for, for you to still do what you love and also give people the entertainment that they want.

29:31 Right. Cause I love watching it. Like I, and I, and honestly, when you left the show, I was like, Oh, that sucks. Like it did. I said them. And um, and then you started, I heard you were gonna come out in your show. I'm like, Oh, awesome. He's gonna have his own show. That means I get to kind of just see Dave now as the head guy, but he's managing all the guys and seeing how the comradery is and all of that stuff. So I was excited about it and was also excited that you didn't leave forever, even though you took a little bit of a break. Um, but it's interesting to hear your thoughts through it. Cause everyone else would be like, Oh, well, you know, Dave's Dave now, Dave, you know, dozer, Dave, like, he's got that name. What's he going to do with it? And you still struggled because you felt like it was kind of like taken away. And now it's like, now I'm just, you know, same old guy I was before I started the show. We really weren't. It's just really, what was your next move? Um, so it's interesting to hear that struggle.

30:22 Yeah. And let me just, again, for somebody that's listening that wants to get into business, you know, some people look at that go, Oh, you know, he had a silver spoon, it was a, a golden, uh, it was a yellow brick road that he followed. Let me tell you, Scott, we failed at that show. I failed that, um, three or four different endeavors going through that. And I remember laying it laying in bed, going, man, I can't put anything together. You know what I mean? And I'm like, how am I going to pay the bills? And I thought to myself, I'm going to have to go back to the family business. I'm going to have to go back to the brothers and say, Hey, I can't put anything together. Can I have my old job back? That was humbling. And so it wasn't, it wasn't just like snap your fingers and you got a TV show.

31:16 It was a lot of work. I had to pitch it. Uh, we had to go see TV execs. And that's a humbling experience in itself. I'm not from that world. I'll never forget. I'm, I'm sitting in Hollywood, right above rodeo drive. And I got a couple, couple TV execs and man, they are slick. And there's me. I'm a, I'm a minor. Right. I mean, I don't, I don't know this world and I'm looking out and it's surreal. We're up on this balcony. And, and I'm in Hollywood and I'm like, man, I don't belong here, but it doesn't come easy. But I love the challenge because I'm like, I have to sell myself, I have to sell this product. And I just, you know, we just did it and we just kept going. I didn't give up. Yeah. And so,

32:07 So part of, part of what I'm hearing then is like, there's the drive for like, let's go find gold, but then also how can we create this show around it that entertains and educates and inspires people? Cause I really look at it as like, it's an, it's an inspirational thing too. Cause people all want to see you win. But even though you don't win, they're still they're rooting for you because they want to see your win. Right. And, and I think that's what it is at a day is we want to see you succeed. But we also are trying to see ourselves succeed at what we're doing. And we kind of say, Oh well, they're keep, they keep, you know, even though they, they didn't hit any of this time or the wash pan plant broke and now they got to fix it and they're down for a week and they're losing thousands of dollars per day. Um, so it kinda goes into perspective, but it's interesting. I want to go back to like, you guys pitched, uh, you know, a new show or a few new shows and they don't work. What does that do to your, your psyche, you know, to your mindset at that point? Like what do you, how do you push through that and go, Oh, maybe the next one's going to be it because most people would stop. They'd be like, Oh, that's it. I'm just gonna go back and ask for my old job.

33:10 Yeah. That's a good, that's a great question. Because you know, when, when we have an idea, you got an idea for a business or something, right. And you have to sell it. And for me, it's like, what is wrong with you guys? This is the best idea in the whole wide world. Right? You guys just aren't getting it, but then you, but then eventually you have to look at yourself and go, alright, maybe it isn't such a great idea. Maybe it does have flaws, but there's nobody in the business that tells you, Hey, if you change this, maybe this'll work. Or, you know what I mean? We just had an idea and we went through with it and we, and we spent a lot of money to pitch the show and then it, it, you know, nobody wants it. And we're like, and so we started doing a couple other things and then, and then I hooked up with those other guys and I thought, well, you know what, let's just do a YouTube channel.

34:04 It was fairly inexpensive. And let's just see if the people will follow. Now. It's not like I have to take it to a TV, exact and sell. Now it's just, will people watch it. So it was kind of a different way of thinking. And then what we started to figure out is that people will watch. And then that got the TV executives attention. So it was like, I did, you know, I ran up against a brick wall with the TV execs. And so I thought, all right, let's just take it to the people. And they wanted to watch it. And then it got some attention from the TV execs. But again, so they come to me and then they go, well, you're doing it anyway. Would you do another? And this is what they said. Would you do a gold rush spinoff that, no, I don't want to do a spinoff.

34:58 I don't want to create something that's already created. I said, I want to do something a little bit different. And thankfully I got the TV exact that I'm working with started gold rush. It was the very first guy and we had a friendship and I really liked him, his name, Sam Maynard, great guy. And so with that, he was like, alright, what, what's your idea? And we start working through this idea and creating something. Cause what I wanted was something that was a little more real. I wanted to show real people mining and how important mining is to our country and to our history. The history of this country, you know, the biggest migration West of the Mississippi was because of gold. The California gold rush brought hundreds of thousands. It was the highest, the biggest migration of people to, you know, to the West was for gold.

35:56 And sometimes we as a country or a people, or even a family, if we forget our history, I think it's, it's a sad thing. So I wanted to bring history and real people and the characters, I meet characters that their, their dad was an underground miner. Then their son's an underground miner and there's generations of people that were tied to that land. I got a call from a lady that, uh, she goes, I want you to come look at my mind. I said, okay, well, you know, what do you got? And I did some investigations. And she goes, when you're in there, will you bring my grandpa's bones out? And I'm like, what?

36:43 But that's, you know, her grandpa died in that mind. And she looked at me like, Hey, come start this mind for my grandpa and get it back going. And then while you're there, would you extract the phones? So I looked into it, but I had to break her heart because I was like, look, you don't have enough value. The amount of money it takes to start it up. Won't you know, and a lot of people these days, they don't, they've got old claims from their grandpa or somebody in their past and they have no idea what to do with them. So I'm just trying to help them through that process. And as I was doing, I was like, this would make a pretty good TV show.

37:20 Yeah. That's, that's very interesting. Cause I mean, I do, even when they, when they show like clips, um, just about like history and they give you those little, those little nuggets, if you will, of like, of like the history, I always find that fascinating. And I wasn't a big history, uh, you know, boffin in high school. I actually didn't really care for history at that time. Now I enjoy it more way, way more now. Cause I like to learn more about like where things came from and what people went through and even seeing the minors of what they went through and what they did and now the machinery and everything that we have, even though it's still hard, it was a lot harder, uh, back in the day. But so when you go to a site like that, what is your, what is your validation process really? Is it drilling and seeing what it will produce in certain areas in order to give them that? Or are you just looking at like old drills that were done

38:08 A little, both what we're doing is, uh, we have a process I'll go in and just, I'm a visual hands-on boots on the ground type of guy. I do like to look at evidence, I'll look at the historical evidence, you know, we're there mining, is there mining around it? You know, was it a successful mine in the past? All those things play into the equation, but then it's just really getting on the ground. And you know, I love to pan with a pan scoop gravel in the water for me, it's therapeutic. It's just, I absolutely love it because it's kind of like business or life, you know, you've got a pan, a dirt right now, 99.9, nine, 9% of it is dirt and gravel. But when you start paying it down and all that stuff starts washing away. Right. And all the hard work and you get down to the bottom and there's a little bit of gold and you're like, boom, I hit it. So I just love that. It's like taking, it's taking like condensing it and you either have gold in the pan or you don't.

39:23 Yeah. Yeah. And then, and then you probably look at like how much, and then you start doing your yardage calculations and all of that, all of that stuff that an engineer would be good at, by the way, see you come in handy.

39:36 It's the same thing. When you start a business, isn't it. You don't just start a business and go, Hey, I want to build houses. Right. There's a process to become good at it or, you know, or just start a business. And so you gotta, you gotta do the hard work.

39:52 Um, so let, let me ask you this about competition. Cause you, you, you like sports, obviously you played sports and all of that stuff. Does competition play at all a role in this where you're like, do you pay attention at all to Tony beets? And do you pay attention to Parker? That little kid, that little frigging kid, right? Do you pay attention? Come on. Be real with us here on the show here.

40:25 I hate to say it, but yeah, I do pay attention to the ratings and you're right. So our shows the third highest rated show on discovery channel a gold rush, the main shows, number one, Parker's trials, number two. And we're number three. Nice. So if you ask me, do I want to be number one? Uh, yeah, that'd be kinda cool. You're right with that. I've always been competitive. I mean, um, I played sports growing up all the way through and now I play golf because I'm an old guy, but it's the one thing I can still compete at. And I, and so, and it's the thing that I'll never conquer to. You know, I'll never conquer golf, so it's a good sport for me, but competition can actually, uh, hurt. I think your business too, for instance. Um, when we were in the show of gold rush, even with my guys, if you start to do internal competition, you know, one side of your team against your other side of the team, it can kinda get away from you.

41:47 You know what I mean? So you gotta really be careful that it doesn't get to be like a one side against each other. And then you're, you've got to keep the teamwork and the framework together so that you're over. You're all trying to accomplish the same goal. I felt like some of the competition within gold rush wasn't real constructive and I thought it was detrimental to our crew. And so I'll still do competitions with my guys, but I have to say, look, we're all a team, we're all family. So it's okay to compete against your brother. But when it's over with put your arm around him and say, Hey, good game. So I have, I I've learned that you gotta be careful, you know, with, with competition within your own group.

42:38 Not, yeah. I could see how that you don't want to turn, you know, your, your, your guys against each other. Uh, but like you said, I think a fun, little competition is always fun, but I think even externally, um, and again, I like, you know, for you to be saying like, Oh my gosh, like, you know, again, like I don't, and I don't know how much, you know, like during the season and after the season, like, do you get like Parker's results? And you're like, Holy crap. He did like, you know, 6,000 ounces. That's crazy. You know, like, you know, and so I guess like on that side of it, is that encouraging, inspiring to you? Or is it more of a Holy crap? Like we should be doing more, you know what I mean? Cause we can get into the comparison game too, which is also I think bad because then we're, it's like what, what is success to you? And your team might be different than what it is to Parker and his team. Right?

43:28 You're exactly right. Scott. I can't compete with what Parker does. My show. The concept is a little bit different. We've tried to keep it small. Um, we've tried to keep it, you know, about a group of guys trying to succeed and pay the bills for their family, but also that it's finding these lost and abandoned mines. And so it's trying to bring something from nothing. Uh there's uh, in so many of these minds that we investigate, we don't know why they shut down. A lot of it was world war II, you know, in world war II. Uh, they were like every, all the men have to go off to work, uh, for the, for the war effort. And so they shut these mines down. A lot of them never started back up. And so it's, we're going in checking these minds out. So it's a little bit different thing than like gold rush.

44:23 It's become, it's become a huge industry. I mean, he's got a lot of people working, a lot of moving. We tried to keep my shoulders smaller. Would I like to get 6,000 ounces? I'd love that. I don't think it takes a lot of work. You have to move a lot of dirt. Parker has become a very good miner and he knows how to move dirt and find gold. But here's the other thing that I learned that I really love Scott is I used to think I was a good miner when I worked 25 years at a rock pit and I was a good miner in this world. The minute I stepped out of my world, right buddy, I found out, I didn't know anything because then I went to the Yukon. I went from the Yukon to Guyana, South America. I went from South America.

45:16 I've been, I've been all over. And the more I learn, the more I realize, I don't know crap. And it's kind of fun to take. It's fun for me to take my experience, my knowledge, my wisdom, and apply it to a brand new place that I've never been. And then I have to go through that whole process all over again, learning the ground. What's it going to take? How do I mind it? What's it going to take to set up the right plan, the right crew, the right equipment. I love that every day. I'm problem solving.

45:49 You love solving problems. You can totally tell that. So let's, we're gonna wrap this up, but I, I wanna, I of want to speak to where, where do you go from here? Right? Like where is Dave in five years? Do you like if I was to say, okay, in five years, let's, let's kind of go into time machine and go forward in five years. Like, are you still doing the same exact thing or do you have other things that are on your agenda or in, in your, on your bucket list that you want to do business wise? Um, maybe if you can just kind of help us understand where we're Dave's mind is right now.

46:22 Yeah. So my philosophy is I want to train my guys up. So they're smarter than me. They're better miners than me. And then I'd love to turn it over. I don't, I don't need to be the biggest and the best in standard go, Ooh, look what I did for me. The joy will come when I just slip away and let my guys take over. And I told them that Scott I'm like, look, I don't, my back is wore out. I can't continue to work at this pace. I'm 61. And I'm working with, you know, 30 and 40 year olds. And I'm like, I can not continue to do it at this pace. And so I told them, I said, look, make this what you want out of it. If you want to do this and continue with it, I'm open to it, man. In five years, it's yours. I'll step away. I'll go find something else. I'd like to do something. I enjoy this. I enjoy sharing my knowledge and wisdom. And so I wouldn't mind to do it, but I told him, I said, if you guys want it, it's yours. Step up. Okay.

47:35 Yeah. It's I think that's great. And I think again, it's like, where is the next client? We don't always know. Right? Like for you, whatever you're doing now. And I'm always, I'm a big believer in that I wrote a book called to take action effect, meaning basically everything we do a moment or a decision is going to lead us to the next thing or the thing we're working on now for the next five years could build us up and set us up to where we're supposed to go next. And I'm not necessarily sure you have to know that, but I can hear just from what you've shared already, you want to teach people to basically go out there and provide for themselves and be smarter and, and, you know, care, take your wisdom and uh, and just, you know, spread that. And, and that might be in a whole nother area who knows, could be like how to get your own TV show. I don't know.

48:18 Yeah.

48:20 And you've got some knowledge there too. Right. You've learned a lot through that with those execs and stuff. Right.

48:25 So, anyway,

48:27 I want to thank you all. Don't take up too much, pretty much more of your time. Uh, again, I just really appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule. I know that you got a little bit of a little sliver of a break, but then you're back out there and really, really, uh, anxious to watch the upcoming season. Why don't you let people know a little bit more of where they can connect with you and, uh, and also where they should go to.

48:49 Yeah. Well, thank you Scott, for having me. Um, obviously it's on discovery channel. The new season comes out. We'll start the new season. It'll be in, uh, October, I've got a website called dozer, dave.com. I'm on Facebook gr dozer, Dave. So yeah, check me out. And uh, I enjoy just a couple of, just a little bit of wisdom as I'm leaving. I've always felt like it's like, you know, the government's not looking out for me and my guys. Um, nobody's looking out for us. So if we take care of ourselves and we've got a family and we put our boots on and go to work, that's what it's about. It's like for us, it's get off the couch and we're going to make mistakes, but we, if we worked through it together, I think we're going to be successful. And that's the same with, I believe our country, our country's in a tough spot right now. And I just feel like we need to, instead of dividing, we can, you know, become a country of people and try to solve these problems together and put our boots on and, and get out there and go back to work. I think we'll be okay. Yeah.

50:02 No, I, I agree. And, uh, once again, great wisdom. I appreciate you. I'll be watching you and be rooting for you as well as I always do. And your guys, and again, keep doing what you're doing. You can tell you're passionate about it and you're helping a lot of people, uh, not just be entertained, but also give them inspiration. Motivation. So, Dave, once again, thank you brother. I appreciate you.

50:22 All right. Be good.

50:24 Right. Well, I wasn't kidding. Right? What an interview, what an amazing guy. I'm super excited again, that he decided to come on and, uh, and really share all of this. But really now I feel as though I'm a friend of Dave Terryn, which is pretty cool. And, uh, we get to actually maybe meet up in the future. Actually, we talked about, uh, me, uh, when I go on the road, I might do a little RV trip. Uh, and uh, I talked about maybe going out his way and maybe sitting down and doing an in person interview, which I think would be absolutely amazing. And, uh, and just again, get to know him more on a personal level. I just really, really, really enjoyed my time with him. So anyway, that's going to wrap up this episode. You might want to go back and listen to that one again, but this is episode eight 58. So you can find the show notes, the transcripts by heading over to brand creators.com forward slash eight 58. All right, guys, as always remember, I'm here for you. I believe in you and I am rooting for you, but you have to, you have to come up, say it with me, say it loud, say it. Proud. Take action. Have an awesome, amazing day. And I'll see you right back here on the next episode. Now let's rock your brand.

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